Things From Jail About Pimping Still Running Through My Head
Well I am up later than I thought I would be tonight because I just can’t get some things out of my head that were being said in jail between girls who have pimps and how they “manage” them. It made me nauseated and I felt a little bit dumber being surrounded by these girls and their horrible logic. I know I will get some people commenting who are pro-pimping that follow my blog, but I do not support any part of it, especially after hearing these girls talk. Now, unfortunately I didn’t have my trusty journal pad handy to ask these girls questions that were written down in this entry by myself and other readers. I probably wouldn’t have done it anyway since I was in a holding cell with 20 other girls and the girls with pimps vs. the ones without was like 10 to 1. I definitely didn’t want to start any argument in a jail cell, for sure, so I kept my mouth shut, my ears open, and my differing opinion to myself.
There were about 3 or 4 girls that would go back and forth with each other and how their pimp was “so great” in this way and “my man takes care of me” this other way that it was nauseating. These girls had been arrested for prostitution and trespassing so many times just in the last month my jaw hit the floor. One girl had gotten out only 2 days before and another had been arrested 20 times in the past YEAR. These girls don’t care what it takes to go in and get the money in every casino, barred or not, so long as they make their man happy. They refuse to do escort services since that is giving their money up to someone else (huh? Great logic there) and don’t care to be arrested because it’s all part of the “game”. They clog up the court systems so bad with their cases, but I am sure they are making a lawyer happy somewhere.
Here’s what I don’t understand in their logic and it makes me want to shake them and say, “LISTEN to what you are saying and think about it… you’re an idiot!” These girls say they are making between $700 on a bad night and $3000 on a good night (which is probably true for most girls in Vegas) in one part of their conversation and then saying that their guy gets everything but their daily allowance is around $40 on average. One girl (who they considered a “spoiled bitch”) gets between $100-$200 a day and $500 whenever she wants to go shopping for herself. Their math was amazing. One common thing they all boasted was how the guy pays the bills, pays the rent, and for their car like it was so unbelievably sweet of him to do. Like it didn’t hit them that it was their money paying for the necessary things you need in life and they could easily do it for themselves without some threat of the guy beating them and being more normal.
The final thing that made me so sad was how robbing a customer (I don’t mean saying you’re going to do one thing like a blow job but end up only giving them a hand job) was part of how much money they brought in. It was essential to steal or else their totals weren’t as high to impress their pimp. In the end what I think? I think these types of girls deserve actually being locked up and taught some sort of lesson. I wish there was some sort of jail group that could help these girls but lets face it, our court and prison system sucks. You can be a prostitute and do it the right way like I try, or you can do it the wrong way like these girls. I just wish I wouldn’t get punished in the court of law and treated like I was one of these ladies.
It sucks going to jail. I have a rule for myself. I have learned from the past that if you have something important like a flight to catch or it is a holiday,the day before you should take the day off. I have been in jail on a holiday and I knew I should have been home. Greed will always land you in jail. Its always just one more call even though you have stacks in your pocket already. It is always that last call that gets you. I would like to know how you were treated after the arrest by your service. I had to stop working for a service because I was arrested….No clear Scope….
December 15th, 2008 at 12:18 amHi courtesan, great post and your right, in that situation i too would of kept my mouth shut…those girls are dumb they can’t see past tommorrow… good luck….as an independent do form alliances with other independents to assist you ?
A
December 15th, 2008 at 4:19 amI was asked once,
“How many eyes do you have?” “Two”, I responded.
“How many ears do you have?” “Two”, I responded again.
“How many mouths do you have?” “One”, I responded yet again….
“Shouldn’t you use those tools in the proportion they were given to you?” Was the final question posed to me.
Good post here. Some of these girls seem to be quite messed up. And I wonder how many of them are actually infatuated (love) with their pimps? Very interesting……
December 15th, 2008 at 10:08 amSome of these ladies might be stupid in bragging about any illegal activity especially theft. But let me ask you this it was an argument with a trick that led to your arrest. If that same idiot client or even better lets say one of those cops or hotel security who arrested you happened to pick up one these girls who were also thieves with intentions to trick on his off-duty time (cops and security guards are tricks too) and she beat him for that $20,000 he had under the rug in his house and left town you wouldn’t at least chuckle a little bit?
As to them being dumb giving a man (pimp) money how come only a woman is dumb giving a man money. Now if a drug dealer (who is taking a way bigger risk and chance than a prostitute) gives his girlfriend money I never hear anybody complain or call him dumb. I never hear people call a working man dumb for giving his girl or wife his paycheck that he worked so hard for. How come they are not dumb. Do I sense a double standard here? Yes that is exactly what it is a double standard!
Also the court system doesn’t care about your opinions as far as they are concerned you are a whore whether you have a pimp or not. Yes some of these girls steal which is not nice but so does Dick Chaney, the Bush family, the Governor of Illionis and lots of solid citizens. Did you ever shoplift at least one time in your life well then you stole and were a thief at that moment. If you found a bag with a $1,000,000 in it would you turn it in or would you keep it? If the answer is yes you are a thief waiting to happen. Just like the square women who look down on you and say I would never sell my body but when you ask them would they do it for a million bucks they smile and say they would, they are a whore waiting to happen! So stop judging people you are acting like your oppressors (police, security, feminists, mainstream society). How can you say anybody deserves being locked-up for a non-violent crime when you are in fact a criminal in societies eyes. That attitude will give you bad luck and you could be railroaded by the system and go to jail. Bad karma. I bet that the girls with pimps won’t do a PSE, GFE, DFK, CIM or BBBJ and take a chance spreading std’s including hiv and herpes (which I think is worse than stealing) only girls without pimps do that. That is the darn truth!!
December 16th, 2008 at 2:12 amNice blanket statement there “RP” you said “you are in fact a criminal in societies eyes”. Actually thats not correct as you don’t speak for “societies eyes” or society as a whole, and what does that even mean in this day? You should have written “you are in fact a criminal in the eyes of the legal system” because that is the only solid FACTUAL statement you could make about the situation.
Not all of us think prostitution is a bad thing and not all of us think using recreational drugs such as marijuana are a bad thing so stop using morals, ethics and values to fight with. I appreciate your opinion on many of the examples you gave, however just as what I write is opinion so is what you wrote for the most part.
December 16th, 2008 at 6:42 pmThank-you for the feedback Jung and the constructive criticism. Perhaps society is to vague a term. But the criminal justice system and most likely the majority of society feels prostitutes are criminals. I am saying if you are a lawbreaker you shouldn’t judge other non-violent lawbreakers especially prostitutes (or anyone in the biz) where you wish them to go to jail. If your a prostitute and you wish another prostitute goes to jail because she gives a man money you are a hater no ifs ands or buts (or you are not a hater deep down just in a real bad mood after being locked up for a day or so). Also not all indy girls are haters so I won’t put them all into that hater category.
But let’s talk about an important topic which is decriminalization. I support decrim for stuff like marijuana, illegal gambling and prostitution. As long it is run by non-violent entrepreneurs (not goons, thugs or gangsters) who are NOT using force or violence to further their business I think it should be punishable with the equivalent of a parking violation ticket with a fine. I think this would take a lot of pressure off people in the business. Also there should be unity among all people in the business and there should be higher standards.
December 16th, 2008 at 9:39 pmno it was for Rp, who i think i offended – i still stand by my point though – they are dumg because they don’t control they’re own destiny’s whilst clearly risking them ….a man giving his girl money IS DIFFERENT…because he earn’t it and he can do whatever he wants with it – how her earn’t it is also, but if you or him earn the money busting your balls and breaking all the rules and then give the “Doe” to someone else, you are dumb – under pressure -being bullied(hope that’s spelt right)- or spinless. either way i stand by my original point, you dont have to be that clever,
December 19th, 2008 at 3:13 amcalculating,thoughtful or articulate…to see that…do you?
Aramis you can’t offend me you have a right to your opinion (even if it’s wrong lol). Why is a man giving his money to a woman different from a woman giving her money to a man? Now as far as breaking rules I gave a perfect example of a man who sells drugs (breaks serious rules a felony) and gives his girl the money. Is he dumb? If he is how come the girl who gets money from her drug dealer boyfriend is not irrationally hated and scorned like the pimp is. Why because mainstream society has been programmed that it is ok for a woman to take money from a man and it is such a terrible thing for a man to accept money from a women especially if that woman is a prostitute. A woman who is a prostitute who spends all her money on crack or heroin is not ridiculed on most of these escort blogs BUT if she gives the money to her man who is a pimp she is called dumb, stupid and a bunch of other insults. Also a real pimp DOES NOT use force! This is by CHOICE not FORCE. That is not being bullied Aramis. People who bully folks are not pimps, madams or prostitutes they are goons, kidnappers and thugs who give the biz a black eye. A drug dealers girlfriend doesn’t force her man to give her that drug money he makes, he does it by choice. A pimp does not force his girl to give him that ho money she does that by choice (at least in this country USA). Also a lot of women who are indy/renegade prostitutes who don’t have a pimp do unprotected sex acts (gfe pse dfk bbbj bbbjtc cim daty without saran wrap or latex barrier) with clients for a couple of hundred dollars and without her and the client getting a full medical std and hiv screening test (like they do in porn). Isn’t this dumb? I think so and anybody with common sense would say it is SUPER DUMB. It is funny that the girls who do unprotected sex acts (playing russian roulette) are usually the biggest haters of pimps. So how can a dummy give a worthwhile opinion on what another person does with their money. Some people like to be managed by other people some don’t that is their right. Free choice.
Oh I see you are a male escort for women in UK. You might make a ideal mate for some of these lonely indy female prostitutes a lot of them are very frustrated not having a good man in their life. Since a lot of them don’t want to be down for pimping a man who is a gigolo might be a great if not perfect match!!! You should may-be a hook up with our host LV Courtesan or may I suggest another indy gal who also has a writing career Amanda Brooks. Now if you do hook up with one of them and it works out I insist to be invited to the wedding if you get married lol!!
December 19th, 2008 at 2:11 pmehh I wish I had time to respond better to this thread that has started while I am visiting family on vacation (damn its hard to keep up with the online world).
I have to disagree with a lot you’ve had to say, RP, and some of your examples are pretty off, in my opinion. I have had to skim through everything but the one thing that caught me was this statement from you
“Also a lot of women who are indy/renegade prostitutes who don’t have a pimp do unprotected sex acts with clients for a couple of hundred dollars and without her and the client getting a full medical std and hiv screening test”
I seriously seriously disagree with this statement. I know several many girls with pimps that do some unprotected stuff compared to the girls without pimps. I have MANY a times told girls who I know have had a pimp “teach” them to NOT use lotions with condoms. Idiots. I also know several many girls who have pimps (like the girls in jail) who many a time only take a couple hundred for these unprotected acts, not the independents. I think you’re view is a lot more glamorous of the pimping world. The one I see is pretty damn ugly.
Anyway glad to see a little discussion is going while I am away. Wish I had the time to write more!
December 19th, 2008 at 10:38 pmAlso this I have to put in my two cents, RP:
“If your a prostitute and you wish another prostitute goes to jail because she gives a man money you are a hater no ifs ands or buts (or you are not a hater deep down just in a real bad mood after being locked up for a day or so)”
No my point was I think these girls who are taking advantage of their clients by stealing should go to jail and get help for being with a pimp who they give all of their money to and only get back $40 a day plus “free” bills. Locked up for a day or not doesn’t make me in a bad mood to give this opinion 🙂 simple logic to me. Girls who steal is wrong and screws things up for everyone else.
December 19th, 2008 at 10:51 pmWhy is it only the women need to get help when they give a man money and get a allowance? How come men who give their money to their woman and get a allowance don’t need help and only the women do. Just admit you like the idea of a man giving his woman money and you can’t stand the idea of a woman giving a man all her money. Just admit it already you don’t like it at all. You will never complain about a guy who gives his girl all her money but will cry foul when the girl gives her money to her guy!
December 19th, 2008 at 11:14 pmDon’t tell me to say things that are ridiculous and things I never said. I think girls who take all of guys money are just as crappy, but that wasn’t the point or any part of the discussion.
That will be one way to tick me off is by starting a sentence saying, “Just admit you blah blah blah”. Man that gets under my skin. Everyone is titled to their opinion of course but telling someone to “just admit” this or that is not the way to go about it.
December 19th, 2008 at 11:19 pmOK wow I seem to have ruffled your feathers a bit but at least you are not holding a double standard. P.S. Enjoy your vacation!
December 19th, 2008 at 11:32 pmI suspect what it really comes down to is that they want to have a general lack of responsibility in life. It is probably worth it to them be in a state of submissiveness and servitude to a man, even a pimp, so as not to have to function in society. Paying rent, bills, a car payment are all part of that functionality… they’d rather have the illusion that they are being “taken care of.” I respect you a great deal. You exemplify what sex workers SHOULD be. But there will always be “the other element.”
December 31st, 2008 at 8:25 amModern Philodoxos are you a prostitute? If you are not you are from the outside looking in which is very different than being a participant. Now some men and women are submissive period. Not all women who are with pimps are submissive and just because she puts that trap(slang for a prostitutes daily/nightly take) in her man’s hands does not mean she cannot spend that money. If you think some guy who puts his paycheck in his wife or girlfriends hands doesn’t spend some of that money you are mistaken. People who submit or let someone lead will not keep doing it if they don’t get something out of it unless a person is a complete idiot. Most people are not complete idiots because if a prostitute is not happy she will leave and that pimp will not get another dime fom her. Same if a guy is not happy letting his girl manage the money he will leave. Also most of the girls with pimps do have a say believe it or not. A lot of pimps now have totally legit businesses and a lot of girls are not going to hook up with someone in the game/biz unless he has something going for himself. You have guys who teach their girl the biz and if they are loyal they buy a condo/house and business under BOTH their names. He taught her and she wants to be with him and visa versa. You see this is the 21st century and the game is more elevated. You still have knuckleheads (other element) who get busted 20 times a year and do petit stealing. If you can get 300-3000 daily without stealing it makes no sense to steal from a client especially for a few hundred or a even few thousand. Just because a guy is a trick does not mean he is a complete sucker. I know of girls getting killed by a client or their jaw broke behind stealing. I am sure if someone could pick up a bag wih a million dollars in it and keep it most of us would be tempted but even then that money might belong to a powerful, dangerous person. So all money is not good money. But I think as long as a person does not leave a relationship broke and destitute that is the most important thing. People split up and pimps and prostitutes do split up sometimes too. When people get divorced or break up when one party managed the money for the most part there should be some type of understanding that if the relationship goes sour that everyone should leave with a fair share. Pimping is work too (yes it can be real hard work believe it or not), not every woman is capable of doing this alone for long periods of time. Not every man is capable of having the stomach to let his woman go sell her pussy and be OK with that. As a pimp and a prostitute you have to really recondition your mind and adopt a whole new set of values. The average indy or renegade lasts only a few days to a few years in the biz. You have but so many new ones that replace the one that don’t last. It is hard for a woman to live a double life. It is hard if not impossible for some woman to let their family know they are a prostitute. I think some of the most successful prostitutes whether they are with a pimp or a indy are the ones who can say it loud and say I am a HOOKER and I am proud. You are who you are and people have to accept you for you. Just be the best you can be!
January 2nd, 2009 at 8:20 pmOh and I forgot to say HAPPY NEW YEAR EVERYBODY!!!!!!!!!!!!
January 2nd, 2009 at 8:21 pm